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11 hours ago, Skarn said:

I agree, but in reality it probably won't happen because there is an extreme lack of motivated and interested programmers.

MC.net and Modcraft could open donations (patreon and things like that), to later use this money to motivate the programmers

[wungasaurus]

Implying that it is a money issue only. Also, matching hourly rates would require a shitload of donations. It would also be an issue of how to distribute donations to projects and developers. Nice idea, but won't work.

[Skarn]

I had that idea a while back and I even installed some donation system here (not visible for users). I thought that we could donate some money together to encourage some programmers to code some tools. But the problem here is the way money would be delievered to developers. What if to say two guys worked on the same thing? That could turn into a conflict when they decided what percentage of the offered sum each of them gets. There are many possible problems with that concept. 

Another reason it is not set up here is that I personally do not want to deal with other people's money, at least in the current situation. I am more than sure that someone people would be claiming that we are taking some money for ourselves while they were to be sent to programmers. Regarding lies I keep hearing about myself now, thanks to efforts of some peoplem, you do not even need to guess that this would happen.

42 minutes ago, wungasaurus said:

Also, matching hourly rates would require a shitload of donations.

It still would be better than coding that for free. In that case you'd get at least some reward. Of course, it is not likely to cover a price of an actual software development of that kind.

44 minutes ago, wungasaurus said:

but won't work.

It could work, in my opinion, but requires a lot of thinking over. And I am open for ideas on that matter actually.

[Skarn]

I had that idea a while back and I even installed some donation system here (not visible for users). I thought that we could donate some money together to encourage some programmers to code some tools. But the problem here is the way money would be delievered to developers. What if to say two guys worked on the same thing? That could turn into a conflict when they decided what percentage of the offered sum each of them gets. There are many possible problems with that concept. 

Another reason it is not set up here is that I personally do not want to deal with other people's money, at least in the current situation. I am more than sure that some people would be claiming that we are taking some money for ourselves while they were to be sent to programmers. Regarding lies I keep hearing about myself now, thanks to efforts of some people, you do not even need to guess that this would happen.

48 minutes ago, wungasaurus said:

Also, matching hourly rates would require a shitload of donations.

It still would be better than coding that for free. In that case you'd get at least some reward. Of course, it is not likely to cover a price of an actual software development of that kind.

48 minutes ago, wungasaurus said:

how to distribute donations

Between projects would be easy. The available donation system here can handle multiple funds. So, to say you have one separate sum for Noggit, another one for something else and so on. The community decides what should we gather money on. But the developer distribution still remains an issue.

 

48 minutes ago, wungasaurus said:

but won't work.

It could work, in my opinion, but requires a lot of thinking over. And I am open for ideas on that matter actually.

[Alastor StrixEfuartus]

what about this ?

There will be open collection so all users could donate to it once it reach some value lets lock it and tell to all that who wil do tool xxx with purpose yyy will get that collected money 

- Anyone could create Collection 
- Anyone could donate

Once Collection reach limit for example 25$ 
- Anyone could sing up for creating tool that is requied by Collection Creator

Once is Tool finished and deliverd maker of tool will get his reward of 25$ 

Its little bit like bounty hunting

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Dim A, B As Integer

1) For example, there's a topic on modcraft where people post what tools they need most. Make a big poll with those as options, that would be open for A months

2) After A months choose B most popular tools and open offers for the programmers to make them. If there are multiple programmers that want to do the same job, also open a little poll for people to choose one of them.

3) When a programmer for a tool is selected, open a donation for that specific tool, stating what sum of money was agreed on with the programmer.

4) When that sum is collected, close the donation and pay the programmer (before or after he makes the tool - doesn't matter). The programmer should provide proof (e.g. screenshot) that he received the whole sum that was mentioned in the donation.

 

Could also try exchanging: a modder who wants to help the community makes, for example, a 3d model for another modder who will, as payment, make a tool, which can be then released for everyone by the first modder.

[wungasaurus]

So,  bountysource?

[Skarn]

6 hours ago, wungasaurus said:

So,  bountysource?

Yeah, that was my idea.

10 hours ago, Смердокрыл said:

Dim A, B As Integer

1) For example, there's a topic on modcraft where people post what tools they need most. Make a big poll with those as options, that would be open for A months

2) After A months choose B most popular tools and open offers for the programmers to make them. If there are multiple programmers that want to do the same job, also open a little poll for people to choose one of them.

3) When a programmer for a tool is selected, open a donation for that specific tool, stating what sum of money was agreed on with the programmer.

4) When that sum is collected, close the donation and pay the programmer (before or after he makes the tool - doesn't matter). The programmer should provide proof (e.g. screenshot) that he received the whole sum that was mentioned in the donation.

 

Could also try exchanging: a modder who wants to help the community makes, for example, a 3d model for another modder who will, as payment, make a tool, which can be then released for everyone by the first modder.

Programmers are often not interested in that kind of stuff, they just like messing with code and WoW modding is often just a programming practice for them without interest of making a project.

And by the way, what does Modcraft has to do with all of that? I am more than sure that it will never be brought into life on Modcraft because of well... reasons why this website exists. And besides, Steff said a lot of times that his opinion on any money in modding is negative, thus not even worth discussing, especially here.

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On 06.05.2016 at 8:16 AM, Skarn said:

And by the way, what does Modcraft has to do with all of that?

I just gave an example of such a topic

On 06.05.2016 at 8:16 AM, Skarn said:

And besides, Steff said a lot of times that his opinion on any money in modding is negative, thus not even worth discussing, especially here.

I believe what he means by money in modding is something different from the current situation (and, to be honest, I agree with him on that), because the idea is not of money exchange within the modding community, but between the modding community and the "outside world", with benefit to the modding community.